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8. Identification of Potential Sites
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 52598
Derbyniwyd: 28/06/2013
Ymatebydd: Mr Richard Clark
Respects the need to provide locations within Warwick district for travellers/Gypsy sites under the national planning policy framework and pleased to see that the council is taking this into consideration. Do not wish to be a NIMBY. However annoyed that of the 20 sites identified, 15 are in the South/South-West Warwick area and none are in Kenilworth. That's not a fair distribution across Warwick district.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 52679
Derbyniwyd: 03/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Mr Stephen Adams
There are plenty of caravan and camping sites in Warwickshire already authorised to take touring and static vans for 1 night or several months. Existing laws prevent people being turned away on grounds of ethnicity. There are also many more pitches than the 30+ you are seeking to accommodate.
The site on Kites Nest Lane is in breach of planning law and was occupied in very bad faith (Bank Holiday weekend when the planning office was shut etc). To suggest legalising it sends a terrible message to the residents of that site and anyone else thinking of doing something similar.
The site near the Shell Garage in Hatton has been breaching the law for years with caravans being occupied on that site. To legalise this send a similarly bad message.
Very disappointed, this gives support to those carrying out illegal activities.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 52694
Derbyniwyd: 04/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Dr Ray Filby
Council does have legal duty to provide sites for Travellers, but care needed in choosing sites. Perhaps better to concentrate sites away from existing residential property e.g. off the Kenilworth By-Pass.
Sylw
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 54306
Derbyniwyd: 29/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Keith Wellsted
The Gypsy and Traveller communities need places to live. I would like you to choose the best sites based on the criteria NOT by avoiding who shouts the loudest against sites near them
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 54547
Derbyniwyd: 29/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Mr Peter Kerr
The need for sites is recognised and supported. Indeed it is needed to stop the current problems that occur when car parks and public parks are used unofficially and left in a mess.
However, the Plan shows a marked imbalance of the distribution of the possible sites over the whole of the District. Of the 20 possible sites listed only four are in the northern part of the District with the remaining 16 in the southern part, with the biggest cluster just south of Warwick. This should be re-examined to ensure a more equitable spread of the burden on the residents of the District.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 54743
Derbyniwyd: 30/06/2013
Ymatebydd: Richard Dinsdale
My question is this.... If they are travellers why do they need a permanent site? If they are not travellers they can make their own living arrangements like the rest of us. They are either travellers or they are not.
Sylw
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 54749
Derbyniwyd: 02/08/2013
Ymatebydd: Kenilworth Town Council
Kenilworth Town Council, although not affected by the sites proposed decided to submit the following comment
The Town Council appreciates the need for Warwick District Council to find appropriate sites for Gypsies and Travellers following the detail assessment. As the location of a Horse fair three times a year the Town is well aware of the challenge posed
Whilst we do not feel it appropriate to comment on the individual sites as they are not within our boundaries we support the District Council in their efforts to locate sites and trust a suitable solution will be found
Cefnogi
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 54751
Derbyniwyd: 07/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Anne Samson
My paramount concern is that proper provision is made for travellers and gypsies. It seems to me to be vital to a democracy that those whose living arrangements are not mainstream should be accepted as part of our diverse (and therefore rich) culture.
Unfortunately it's too easy to forget the lessons of history and the terrible suffering that takes place when differences are not tolerated. It's easy to think that we're civilised, but we'll only remain so if we have respect for all citizens.
I'm taking the trouble to communicate because of the frequently expressed hostility to these minorities which is paradoxical when one sees the number of holiday caravans on our roads, and the well-maintained sites for them to rest in.
Cefnogi
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 54764
Derbyniwyd: 06/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Elouise Statham
I am in full support of the proposals.
I think it is extremely important for councils to plan adequately for
housing and offering more stable sites for Travellers which will
benefit not only these ethnic minorities but protect residents and
minimise cost to the council from unauthorised encampments in car
parks, laybys and grass verges. Since ethnic cleansing is not
something a reasonable person might want, I am impressed that you are
courageously facing up to how you might best include those on the
margins of society, enabling potential residents to access more stable
healthcare and education.
Brilliant.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 54769
Derbyniwyd: 02/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Mr Robert Newman
Surprised and disappointed that the sites suggested by FRoG were not included in the list of suggested sites.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 54774
Derbyniwyd: 28/06/2013
Ymatebydd: Mr Edwin Simms
Sites proposed south of Warwick and Leamington seem more appropriate. Having lived in Bishops Tachbrook aware of the vast expanses of land away from green belt or urbanization that would make for more appropriate Traveller sites.
Lighthorne Heath was earmarked for a major development previously and it makes good sense to develop on the land between Lighthorne and Leamington/Warwick when the overall picture is looked at.
Concerned that potential sites put forward by the Beausale, Haseley, Honiley and Wroxall Parish Council have not been included as options. Reasons for omissions ("a potential housing site in the Local Plan", and because sites are "promoted for residential use through the Local Plan and [are] too close to the urban area") seem insufficient particularly as Kites Nest Lane is included.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 54775
Derbyniwyd: 28/06/2013
Ymatebydd: Merle Mason
The list of sites proposed by Beausale, Haseley, Honiley and Wroxall Parish Council were rejected on flimsy grounds and should be reconsidered.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 54781
Derbyniwyd: 27/05/2013
Ymatebydd: Dr Jeff Foster
Experience of Gypsy Fairs in Kenilworth in terms of fighting and disruption and additional security needed in restaurants and pubs.
No objection to them being located where there are sufficient amenities and services or if they contributed to council tax and local services.
If allowed to settle in Kenilworth where there are already significant issues, would move away.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 54782
Derbyniwyd: 29/05/2013
Ymatebydd: Mr Graham Cross
Live in Leamington with small children who would not feel safe to play out.
Local industrial estates would be at risk of damage etc.
Nothing but trouble to local neighbourhood as in Meriden.
Put local Leamington residents who pay taxes first before putting countryside at risk.
Should not have to take responsibility for them or find a place for them to take over and destroy.
Travellers should travel.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 54783
Derbyniwyd: 31/05/2013
Ymatebydd: Julie Thornton
Proposal for Gyspy and Traveller sites is asking for trouble.
Travellers not paying taxes should travel.
Previous experience of Gypsies resulted in not wanting to be near them.
They do not want to integrate into society but want the same.
Sylw
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55448
Derbyniwyd: 03/08/2013
Ymatebydd: Mr Russ Powell
Understand that land where the site offices were situated for the recent A46 development was offered free to the Council. It has services, is more suitable and would have minimum public expense. Why was this offer declined?
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55504
Derbyniwyd: 31/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Wendy Saville
Area of search is disproportionately centred on south of District, in particular Whitnash/Bishops Tachbrook and the larger sites are disproportionately centred around these areas too.
The best scenario is to spread integration and avoid ghettos or creating undue disharmony in happy, 'settled' communities.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55567
Derbyniwyd: 29/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Miss Jen Holloway
Understand the needs and government requirements but wonder if all consequences have been taken into consideration.
Current population struggles with access to see GP's and local schools too large but struggling with the numbers. An increase in people will make this worse. How can this be managed effectively?
Not all food or surface water problems are reported so inaccurate to only use flood reports.
Wherever there are groups of people there will be noise disturbance.
All the activities will have an impact on an already fragile infrastructure.
Integration in local landscapes not possible without proper management of sites but this won't happen.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55649
Derbyniwyd: 17/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Barford, Sherbourne and Wasperton Joint Parish Council
Running consultation at same time as RDS had a debilitating effect on that consultation - or was that deliberate?
The GT12 and GT16 confusion is inexcusable and unacceptable - the author should be made fully aware of their shortcomings.
No reason why G&T sites should be considered any differently to any built development sites - maybe the criteria applied should be stricter - eg caravans are at greater risk in flooding situations.
Many of the sites not suitable for built development as not in Local Plan.
Sites should be included in new development areas so can be fully integrated with their surroundings not parachuted into settled communities. Better for all concerned.
The Sustainability Appraisal lacks convincing evidence - traffic light scoring system clearly dumbs it down. The score for GT16, a flood compensation area, undermines the whole exercise.
Concerned about lack of cross-district boundary consideration or cooperation. The Stratford DC site on the A46 just outside Sherbourne should be taken into consideration along with the problems that such an allocation have brought to the local community and indeed the WCC.
Requires a realistic and imaginative approach to dealing with Greenbelt rather than shoehorning a district issue into one small area of the district.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55651
Derbyniwyd: 20/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Mr Michael Barker
Why are tax payers being compelled to pay for these sites/facilities?
They are not forced to travel but choosing a travelling life means they should travel.
Society should not be forced to pay for people who live outside of society.
Warwickshire countryside will be spoilt by these sites and potential waste and pollution that will be created.
Council should be doing everything in its power not to provide these sites.
Why should taxpaying citizens see their property values reduced as a result of these sites?
NO to any sites ANYWHERE in the country being provided.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55668
Derbyniwyd: 27/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Mr Mark Carter
Significant development over the past decade, around Warwick eg Chase Meadow estate has placed a burden on local infrastructure and amenities. Current and future development will place an even greater burden on the local schools, doctors, roads and recreational/social facilities. The Gypsy and Traveller sites will exasperate the situation
The sites will have a huge negative impact on Warwick's tourist industry and associated local businesses as can be seen on Bank Holiday race meetings when an influx of Gypsies and Travellers causes shops/restaurants to close early.
Hopes that common sense prevails and that Warwick can continue to be a wonderful place to live and raise families.
Cefnogi
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55730
Derbyniwyd: 24/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Royal Leamington Spa Town Council
Endorse the approach taken by the District Council in providing adequate land for accommodating Gypsies and Travellers.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55740
Derbyniwyd: 24/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Peter & Susan Byrd
The proposed sites are concentrated to the south of Warwick and Leamington rather than being distributed more evenly through the district.
Sylw
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55766
Derbyniwyd: 28/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Owners and Occupiers of Gypsy / Traveller Site at kites Nest Lane
Asiant : Carta Developers
There is a pressing shortage of accommodation for Gypsy/Travellers nationally and regionally and an urgent need for sites locally. Council acknowledge a long-term policy failure to meet the needs of Gypsy Travellers in the District.
Number of sites proposed by the Council do not appear to be realisable if sites within the Council's revised development strategy are to be actually delivered, including Europa Way site in Council's ownership.
Immediate need for eight pitches especially if Kites Nest Lane site is dismissed at inquiry. But majority of other sites proposed by the Council have significantly similar characteristics to the Kites Nest Lane site or are not deliverable without compulsory purchase powers due to landowner opposition.
However, compulsory purchase unlikely if enforcement taken against Kites Nest Lane as other landowners will identify Kites Nest Lane site a functionally similar but more easily deliverable and/or a better suited site.
Significant issue for Council as consulting owners/occupiers of Kites Nest Lane whilst taking enforcement action against them through the Courts. The owners/occupiers agreed to vacate the site if their appeal isn't upheld but nowhere for them to relocate. This site is the only site occupied by Gypsy / Travellers in the district and is the only occupied site that is subject to consultation.
Other sites have similar constraints to Kites Nest Lane (i.e. planning enforcement notices) or have land contamination and/or flooding and/or access issues. A large number are within Green Belt and/or within the Arden Landscape designation. Communities and/or land owners actively opposing some sites. Therefore need to identify 'deliverability' of site.
Sites should be ranked according to deliverability irrespective of scheme based constraints. Therefore need to consider: ownership, green belt, flood risk, agricultural grade, nature reserve, ground water, bus route, mineral consultation zone, flooding, utilities, services (schools, GP's) to establish overall deliverability. On this basis most sites have 'low' deliverability with GT01, GT14, GT17 and GT18 considered to have 'medium' deliverability and only GT13 (Kites Nest Lane) to have a 'high' deliverability. Need to balance needs for sites against constraints and deliverability within the District. Occupiers of Kites Nest Lane would relocate to alternative, affordable site but unable to identify one. Council has had similar problems.
Deliverability of sites is therefore key. Secretary of State should delay determining appeal into Kites Nest Lane until Council has completed its assessment and sure Council agrees sensible to allow impartial identification of the sites.
Would appreciate feedback and clarification how occupants of Kites Nest Lane site will be relocated if required.
Consider Kites Nest Lane is most easily deliverable, and subject to fewer constraints than alternative sites.
Sylw
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55844
Derbyniwyd: 25/06/2013
Ymatebydd: Mr Stephen Adams
There is no shortage of temporary caravan pitches in the area but "travellers" seem to prefer to camp illegally than use existing facilities. The document does not reference existing camping and caravan sites at all which suggests there are none which is not true and therefore the document is misleading.
There are existing sites for permanent residential caravans and adverts for such sites on web sites. Consultation document suggests there are none which is not true and again misleading. The real issue here is again, travellers prefer to camp illegally than use existing facilities.
Generally the document is misleading and biased so may solicit more support than the real facts would have.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55903
Derbyniwyd: 08/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Mrs J Cook
Why do travellers need permanent sites? Who pays for construction, maintenance and administration? What do travellers get on these permanent sites? Are there penalties imposed for misuse/non payment? More information is needed for residents.
Hampton Magna/Budbrooke/Hatton area has majority of sites. Might be more reassured if sites will be looked after but previous experiences suggest this will not happen and that anti-social behaviour (and worse) will occur.
Sites should be distributed evenly.
Sylw
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55908
Derbyniwyd: 09/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Warwickshire Police
None of the locations are better or worse than the others from a crime and disorder point of view.
Only experience is from relatively small and remote site at Beausale but no evidence to suggest it's impacted on crime levels. People on site are always friendly and polite.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55932
Derbyniwyd: 29/07/2013
Ymatebydd: Joanna Weatherall
Council does not appear to have consulted Stratford-Upon-Avon District Council as six sites are within the parish of Bishops Tachbrook yet green belt land in the Stratford-Upon-Avon district means the majority of their 52 proposed sites will also be very close to the parish of Bishops Tachbrook.
Warwickshire District Council's Revised Development Strategy (June 2013) proposes new homes located south of Warwick and Whitnash, creating significant increases in traffic and noise pollution close to the proposed Gypsy and Traveller sites.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55955
Derbyniwyd: 29/07/2013
Ymatebydd: John Brightley
Most of the sites are in open countryside but as Gypsy and Traveller sites are dominated by vehicles and have the appearance of urban car parks they are visually incongruous in open countryside or conventional residential areas and so are better located within or adjacent to industrial areas.
Sites in the countryside are not near facilities or services and as gypsies and travellers work and live on the same site using employment sites can be seen as a better and more appropriate choice of location.
Gwrthwynebu
Gypsy and Traveller Site Options
ID sylw: 55991
Derbyniwyd: 29/07/2013
Ymatebydd: John Smith
All council sites should be listed with explanations why each site is unacceptable.
Council should be providing sites in conjunction with other authorities. Identifying sites on its own is a total dereliction of duty under 2011 Localism Act.
National and local planning policy should be key considerations. Land ownership (and willingness to sell) should not be a concern due to availability of CPO powers.